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		<title>Russell&#8217;s story: part 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AnnaS</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the last post I introduced Russell and told you how he started to hide his occasional coffee dates with other women from his partner Sylvia. Here he continues his story:
 About four and a half years into our relationship I had a very brief amorous encounter (non-penetrative) while on holiday. which left me feeling [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the last post I introduced Russell and told you how he started to hide his occasional coffee dates with other women from his partner Sylvia. Here he continues his story:</p>
<blockquote><p> About four and a half years into our relationship I had a very brief amorous encounter (non-penetrative) while on holiday. which left me feeling very happy and free, but I knew I couldn&#8217;t tell Sylvia. I excused my behaviour because (a) I didn&#8217;t have full penetrative sex and (b) I was upset with her for going off to visit someone I didn&#8217;t like. I did feel uncomfortable when she came back and I now had a secret, though I was already experienced in not talking about sex or other women and so it remained a secret from her.</p>
<p>Within a year or so I had a one-night stand at a festival, and after that I found sex with other women easy to find, enjoyable partly because it was secret, but also I didn&#8217;t respect myself in the way that I do now. I think I justified my behaviour by somehow thinking that my sex life outside of the relationship was separate to my relationship &#8211; a kind of parallel life. I didn&#8217;t like any deception that I did, but in my mind there was a pile of excuses &#8211; it was &#8216;only occasional&#8217;, or &#8216;only at festivals&#8217;, or it was OK because Sylvia didn&#8217;t trust me. But then it grew so I had several ongoing &#8216;physical friendships&#8217;.</p>
<p>I was aware that I didn&#8217;t like having slices of my life invisible or lied about to Sylvia, as I much prefer being honest because it&#8217;s easier. And of course I was enjoying the illicit fun, which also caused me to keep doing it and not tell Sylvia. Opportunities arose, I took them and chose not to share the information.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure my &#8216;playing away&#8217; was obvious to Sylvia, it&#8217;s just that she was blinded by love and (probably) didn&#8217;t want to believe what I was getting up to. I do have regrets that I didn&#8217;t have the guts to be honest. I was afraid to tell Sylvia my true feelings, which were that I still loved her and could have lived with her but felt the need to have other female intimate company.</p>
<p>There was enough positivity in the relationship still, plus history, for this discomfort and deceit to be pushed out of my life, because I wanted to continue with Sylvia. What I mean is that the &#8216;good stuff&#8217; outweighed the bad stuff &#8211; the conflict in my head and the occasional conflicts Sylvia and I descended into.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not proud of this bit of my life because I hurt Sylvia such a lot with that behaviour, when she found out. The end of the relationship happened when a friend of ours was having coffee with Sylvia. Sylvia was burbling on about how wonderful I was and the friend said something like &#8216;how can you say that when he&#8217;s such a shit?&#8217; Sylvia asked for explanation and the friend revealed I&#8217;d had sex with one of her friends at a juggling convention. Sylvia asked me directly as soon as she saw me: had I had sex with such and such at the festival? and I answered honestly.</p>
<p>I was due to go away the next day for nearly a week. When I got back Sylvia had moved out, and we didn&#8217;t speak. It wasn&#8217;t a dreadfully horrible break-up and we remained civil, but we haven&#8217;t spoken much since, and she&#8217;s moved away.</p>
<p>I have a general feeling of not respecting myself (or her) during the last few years of our living together, and my current honesty and openness (which is easier in the long run) is partly to atone or make-up for that period of deceit.</p></blockquote>
<h3> The deceit trap</h3>
<p>I think this part of Russell&#8217;s story shows how easy it is to go from a little deceit to hiding a large part of your life from your partner. Once you have decided not to mention an encounter, it is hard to mention any future encounters because that would mean having to admit that you have lied before. The only way to end the lying is with a crisis &#8211; coming clean or being found out.</p>
<p>The excuses Russell made to himself are ones that unfaithful people have made throughout the ages. &#8216;I didn&#8217;t have full penetrative sex&#8217;, &#8216;I was upset with her&#8217;, &#8216;It was only occasional&#8217;, or &#8216;It was only at festivals&#8217;. In the end there are no excuses &#8211; and yet, there are logical reasons why people behave like this. When your choice seems to be between monogamy and cheating, and monogamy is simply too difficult, what other choice is there?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in Russell&#8217;s situation, if you&#8217;re cheating on your partner but not knowing how to tell them, I can sympathise, but I have to remind you of the stark fact: sooner or later, the truth will come out and a crisis will be reached &#8211; the only question is how soon that will happen. Unless you&#8217;ve got very strong reasons for keeping your relationship superficially happy but dishonest, I would recommend telling the truth sooner rather than later, as it can only get harder to tell the truth the longer you leave it.</p>
<p>And by coming clean, you also have a chance to control how the information comes out.  Your partner might well be angry, but probably not angry as Sylvia was when she found out from a friend rather than from Russell. You can choose when and where they find out, you can be there to answer their questions, you can give your explanations.</p>
<p>Russell&#8217;s suspected that Sylvia probably knew about his cheating but didn&#8217;t want to admit it to herself. I&#8217;ve heard this again and again from people who have cheated and those who have been cheated on. I suppose none of us want to accept the idea that the person we have chosen as an ideal partner isn&#8217;t quite so ideal after all.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve been in Sylvia&#8217;s situation, suspecting that your partner is not being monogamous, bear in mind that they may still love you and feel committed to you. Be wary of the common assumption that if your partner cheats it must be because of something you&#8217;ve done wrong &#8211; it could just as easily be that they find monogamy difficult and don&#8217;t know what else to do about it. This blog is here to give people an alternative.</p>
<p>After the crisis, someone who has cheated then has an opportunity to decide how to change things, and they can choose to avoid being deceitful to future partners. Russell took this opportunity, as he explains in the next post.</p>
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		<title>Russell&#8217;s story: part 1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AnnaS</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russell is 38-year-old entertainer who finds it difficult to be monogamous and is now in an open relationship. This is the first part of his story, before he met his current partner, in his own words.
At the age of 20 I met my future partner of 9½ years. Sylvia was an arty type and we [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell is 38-year-old entertainer who finds it difficult to be monogamous and is now in an open relationship. This is the first part of his story, before he met his current partner, in his own words.</p>
<blockquote><p>At the age of 20 I met my future partner of 9½ years. Sylvia was an arty type and we fitted well together. The relationship was good &#8211; in fact the sex was excellent and there was lots of it. It was other stuff which got in the way of our relationship continuing in a smooth progression of lifelong monogamy, mainly lack of trust, jealousy and a low self esteem on her part, and a lively, excitable, fun-loving persona on mine.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always found it easy to talk to people and am not bothered about appearances, so I&#8217;ve lots of friends and contacts. Sylvia wasn&#8217;t so outgoing and I often went socialising by myself. Sylvia would sometimes ask if I fancied other women, or if I&#8217;d told her I&#8217;d had a coffee with a female friend with whom I wasn&#8217;t sexually active, Sylvia would ask things like did we ever hold hands, or if I kissed my friend goodbye, was it on her cheek or lips?</p>
<p>I loved her &#8211; enough even to decline the offer of sex with someone at a party. This event (or non-event!) was some kind of fulcrum in our time together. I told her that I could&#8217;ve gone upstairs with the woman but had declined because I was in a relationship with someone who couldn&#8217;t cope with that kind of thing, and I loved her more than a quick fun bonk with a stranger. I felt good being faithful at the party, as I believed I was being honourable and behaving in the right way.</p>
<p>Her reaction was unexpected &#8211; she flew off into a rage. I think the supposition was that I&#8217;d done something to encourage this woman. When I told her, I wished I&#8217;d actually done the deed! If I had done it I would have either told Sylvia or been &#8217;seen through&#8217; if I&#8217;d tried to hide it. And I&#8217;m fairly sure that would have been the end. It really made it clear to me that she had a problem with her feelings about me, that she was possessive and damaged.</p>
<p>So, smarting from a punishment for my honesty and integrity, I started &#8216;lying by omission&#8217; i.e. I decided not to mention the occasional coffee dates as it only seemed to stir up trouble.</p></blockquote>
<h3>Trying to be monogamous</h3>
<p>I should say from the beginning that I have talked to Russell but not to Sylvia, so I only have his side of the story. However, I don&#8217;t think his experience is unusual. He is the kind of person who thrives on getting to know new people, and on flirting. He says that many women find him attractive and he gets an offer of a sexual encounter fairly regularly. Someone with his kind of personality will always find monogamy difficult.</p>
<p>Russell is also a person who hates being dishonest or breaking trust. When he was with Sylvia he tried hard to stay faithful, in a relationship where this meant staying monogamous. When offered the chance to have sex with someone he found attractive, he said no because he knew Sylvia would be upset by it. This seems to me to be exactly the right thing to have done.</p>
<p>As usual, I&#8217;d like to ask what you would have done in Russell&#8217;s situation. I wouldn&#8217;t recommend lying by omission, the route he chose at the time &#8211; and I&#8217;m sure he now wouldn&#8217;t recommend it either.</p>
<p>One possible way forward might have been for the two of them to have a long discussion about what their different expectations were, and how they might get round their differing needs and personalities. Perhaps with the help of a counsellor, they might have worked something out.</p>
<p>Another possibility might have been for Russell to continue his &#8216;occasional coffee dates&#8217; but mention them to Sylvia each time. But this would have been very difficult without first having that long discussion and it would have caused a lot of conflict. I can see why Russell didn&#8217;t do this.</p>
<p>And I suppose the other option might have been for Russell to decide that he was unable to continue in the relationship, given the differences between his and Sylvia&#8217;s outlook on monogamy.</p>
<h3>When your partner admits being tempted</h3>
<p>What about Sylvia&#8217;s options? I don&#8217;t know exactly why Sylvia reacted negatively to Russell&#8217;s admission &#8211; although again, I don&#8217;t think her reaction is unusual.</p>
<p>What would you do if your partner came back from a party and told you that they had been offered sex but refused because they wanted to be faithful to you? ( This is assuming that you have an agreement of monogamy, whether spoken or unspoken.) You could feel angry or hurt if, as Russell suspects of Sylvia, you think that they might have encouraged the other person. Or you could thank them for being honest and for thinking of your wishes even when tempted to break their promise.</p>
<p>It is clear to me that Sylvia&#8217;s reaction was most certainly counterproductive in this case. By giving Russell the impression that he was being punished despite his honesty, she was giving him no incentive to be honest again. Perhaps she thought that she had to give him a reason not to even flirt with other women again, never mind be honest about his flirting. With Russell or someone like him, this was never likely to work. Reacting angrily to your partner&#8217;s honest admission that they have refused an offer of sex is just encouraging them to lie in the future.</p>
<p>For some people who have experienced this situation, they&#8217;ve discovered that actually they didn&#8217;t mind their partner being interested somebody else, and the experience has opened up a whole new world of Open Fidelity. It didn&#8217;t happen this way for Russell and Sylvia, although the experience shaped the way Russell felt about monogamy and later helped him to work out a more honest way to have several lovers.</p>
<p>In the next post, I&#8217;ll tell you how Russell and Sylvia&#8217;s relationship developed.</p>
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		<title>Problems caused by cheating</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AnnaS</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#8217;s look at the problems you fact if you start having a secret affair.
The edifice of lies
First of all, cheating by definition involves lying to your partner.
You have to avoid mentioning this new interest in another person, even though you&#8217;re probably thinking about them all the time.
You have to lie about where you&#8217;re going when [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s look at the problems you fact if you start having a secret affair.</p>
<h3>The edifice of lies</h3>
<p>First of all, cheating by definition involves lying to your partner.<br />
You have to avoid mentioning this new interest in another person, even though you&#8217;re probably thinking about them all the time.<br />
You have to lie about where you&#8217;re going when you&#8217;re planning to meet the new person, and lie about where you were afterwards.<br />
You have to lie about why you are suddenly glowing, or excited, or turned on.<br />
You have to lie about how you learnt that new sexual technique.<br />
You have to lie to your friends and family as well, to avoid word getting back to your partner through the grapevine.<br />
You have to remember what story you told all these people and keep your story consistent.<br />
You have to hide electronic traces of your affair as well as physical ones.<br />
&#8230;and so on and so on.<br />
It takes a lot of effort to build and maintain an edifice of lies of the size needed to hide a new relationship from a partner you spend a lot of time with. Personally I find this all far too difficult, and any lies of mine tend to be seen through by anyone who knows me.<br />
Some people manage it, and even keep up the lies for years on end. Most are discovered sooner or later, and being discovered is always a risk. You can&#8217;t control every bit of information your partner receives &#8211; even if you did, this control would itself become obvious to them. In the long run, they are almost bound to find out.<br />
Rona Subotnik and Gloria Harris,  in their book <em><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Surviving-Infidelity-Making-Decisions-Recovering/dp/1593374801/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;s=gateway&amp;qid=1201443882&amp;sr=8-3" title="Surviving Infidelity: Making Decisions, Recovering from the Pain (Amazon.co.uk)" target="_blank">Surviving Infidelity: Making Decisions, Recovering from the Pain</a>,</em> mention one woman who found out about her husband&#8217;s affair after his death &#8211; it was no less devastating than finding out when he was alive. And as he was no longer around to talk about it, she found it hard to work through what it meant about their marriage.</p>
<h3>Lack of respect</h3>
<p>Even your partner never finds out, the fact that you are lying to your partner means you are choosing not to give them any influence over one part of your life. Your choice to do this can only mean that your respect for your partner and their autonomy is lessened.<br />
&#8216;Oh no,&#8217; you might say, &#8216;I&#8217;m keeping the secret from my partner <em>because</em> of my respect for them, because they would be upset if they knew.&#8217;<br />
Really?<br />
They will be upset one day anyway. And what kind of respect reduces someone&#8217;s ability to choose their response to the situation?<br />
If you lie to someone about something this important, you are not respecting them &#8211; full stop.</p>
<h3>Hidden means stifled</h3>
<p>If a new relationship is hidden, it has little chance to grow. The new lover cannot become part of your life as new partner would usually do, such as by meeting your friends and family, going to events with you, being mentioned in conversation. If your new lover is single, they can&#8217;t start telling everyone they know about their new lover, so they  become isolated. If they have a partner, they have to lie to their partner, so the same issues apply to as to your partner. (This doesn&#8217;t apply if the infidelity is a one-night stand or a series of one-night-stands, of course.)</p>
<p>It is often said that the secrecy and illicit nest of secret affairs is part of their attraction. Perhaps that is true, but compared with what you are losing through the secrecy, this seems a poor reason to have an affair.</p>
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